What It Means to be Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza
Clip: 2/3/2025 | 18m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
Peter Beinart discusses his new book "Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza."
There is much uncertainty about the second phase of the ceasefire in Gaza. After nearly 16 months of war, the humanitarian situation remains dire. Author and journalist Peter Beinart believes equality between the Israelis and Palestinians is the only way to secure peace and safety. He addresses it in his new book "Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza." The author joins the show to discuss.
What It Means to be Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza
Clip: 2/3/2025 | 18m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
There is much uncertainty about the second phase of the ceasefire in Gaza. After nearly 16 months of war, the humanitarian situation remains dire. Author and journalist Peter Beinart believes equality between the Israelis and Palestinians is the only way to secure peace and safety. He addresses it in his new book "Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza." The author joins the show to discuss.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> ♪ >> AS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, THERE IS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE SECOND PHASE OF THE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA AFTER NEARLY 16 MONTHS IN WAR, THE HUMANITARIAN ATTRITION REMAINS DIRE.
BELIEVES EQUALITY BETWEEN ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SECURE SAFETY AND PEACE FOR GOOD.
IT IS SOMETHING HE ADDRESSES IN HIS NEW BOOK, BEING JEWISH AT THE DESTRUCTION OF GAZA.
HE JOINS MICHELLE MARTIN TO DISCUSS.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US ONCE AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU.
YOU OPENED YOUR LATEST BOOK, WHICH YOU CALLED A LETTER TO A FORMER FRIEND.
IT'S HEARTBREAKING.
WOULD YOU JUST TELL US ABOUT THIS LETTER AND WHY IT IS A FORMER FRIEND?
>> MY PUBLIC VIEWS OF OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN GAZA AND OPPOSITION TO THE IDEA OF A STATE THAT GIVES JEWS THE RIGHTS THAT PALESTINIANS DON'T HAVE IS A POPULAR VIEW IN CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE AMERICAN JEWISH COMMUNITY AND MANY INSTITUTIONS WHICH I SPEND MY LIFE, BECAUSE I'M AN OBSERVANT AND JEWISH INSTITUTIONS ARE STRUCTURE IN MY LIFE AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO I CARE ABOUT A GREAT DEAL WHO FEEL VERY BETRAYED BY MY VIEWS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPRESSED SO PUBLICLY.
PEOPLE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, PETER, YOU ARE PUTTING MY FAMILY AT RISK.
I WANT TO WRITE THIS BOOK FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN WHY I SEE THINGS SO DIFFERENTLY AND BY OUR COMMUNITY HAS GONE SO PROFOUNDLY WRONG AND WHY I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND SUPPORTING IN ISRAEL'S TREATMENT OF PALESTINIANS AND DESTRUCTION OF GAZA IS NOT JUST A VIOLATION OF OUR BEST ETHICAL AND RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS, BUT ENDANGERS US.
>> THE LATEST BOOK IS TITLED, BEING JEWISH AFTER DESTRUCTION OF GAZA.
IT'S NOT BEING JEWISH AFTER OCTOBER 7th OR BEING JEWISH AFTER 1947.
WHY AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF GAZA?
WHY IS THAT THE BEGINNING POINT?
>> I THINK THE JEWISH COMMUNITY FEELS AND WRESTLES WITH THE HORROR OF OCTOBER 7.
THAT IS FOR ALL OF US ON THE PRESENT AND ONE OF THE MOST TRAUMATIC DAYS OF MY LIFE.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALREADY WRESTLING WITH THE HORROR OF THAT.
WHAT LED ME TO WRITE THIS BOOK WAS SEEING SO MANY GOOD AND DECENT PEOPLE I KNOW WHO DAY AFTER DAY SOMEHOW SEEM TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK OUT THE SCREENS OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN GAZA.
I WAS LOOKING AT MY COMPUTER EVERY DAY AND HEARING FROM PEOPLE AND FAMILY IN GAZA AND EVERY DAY I WAS THINKING, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING.
MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE BEING DESTROYED.
MOST OF THE SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS AND AGRICULTURE.
THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN BEING KILLED AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN UKRAINE AND ALMOST ANY CONFLICT IN THE 21st CENTURY AND MORE CHILD AMPUTEES THAN ANY OTHER PLACE IN MODERN HISTORY AND I LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY I LOVE AND SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE JUSTIFYING THIS.
MAYBE THEY ARE SAYING IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT ALSO IT'S ON -- NECESSARY.
THAT IS AN UNWILLINGNESS TO TRULY FACE WHAT IS BEING DONE IN OUR NAME AS JEWS.
>> HOW DID THIS START FOR YOU?
YOU HAVE A REPUTATION AS A PERSON WHO HAS LONG BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT ISRAEL'S ROLE IN THE WORLD AND THE WAY IT MANAGES ITS GOVERNMENTS OF ITS TERRITORIES AND THE STORY IT TELLS THE WORLD ABOUT ITSELF.
>> I WAS RAISED IN A FAMILY WHERE ISRAEL IS IMPORTANT IN A SENSE OF SECURITY AND THAT THERE IS A STATE AFTER THE HOLOCAUST.
MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHER AND A MEMBER HOW MUCH THEY LOVE ISRAEL.
I ALSO LOVED BEING THERE.
WHEN YOU ARE USED TO BEING THIS SMALL MINORITY AND YOU GO TO A JEWISH CIVILIZATION WHERE EVERYTHING REFLECTS YOUR IDENTITY AND CULTURE, IT'S A POWERFUL EXPERIENCE.
I HAD NO EXPERIENCE WITH WHAT THIS MEANT FOR PALESTINIANS.
IT WAS COMPLETELY OFF MY RADAR.
I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT I FIRST WENT TO SPEND TIME WITH PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK TO SEE WHAT ISRAEL MEANT FOR THEM AND ON THE FIRST DAY I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS, I WILL HAVE TO RETHINK SOME THINGS AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT REALLY MEANT FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE STATE WHERE THEY HAD NO RIGHTS AND COULDN'T BECOME CITIZENS.
THEY COULDN'T VOTE AND LIVED UNDER MILITARY LAW AND NEED PERMISSION TO TRAVEL.
IT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE WITH PALESTINIANS THAT MADE ME RETHINK WHAT IT MEANS TO ME TO TRY TO LIVE ETHICALLY.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAW LITERALLY ON THOSE FIRST DAYS THAT AWAKENED THIS?
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO CALL IT MORAL CRISIS.
>> I READ ABOUT IT IN A BOOK.
SHE HAD TWO DAUGHTERS, THEN THEY HAD A SON AND WHEN -- THE DAUGHTER STARTED CRYING HYSTERICALLY, BECAUSE IN THEIR VILLAGE, THE BOYS WOULD THROW STONES AT ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND THE ISRAELI ARMY WOULD GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PULLED THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO THROUGH THEM, BUT THEY KNEW THAT PROBABLY THAT FULLY COULD INFORM THE OTHER BOYS IF IT WASN'T HIM.
BECAUSE THEY LIVE UNDER MILITARY, YOU COULD BE HELD UNDER ATTENTION WITHOUT FAMILY, LAWYER OR OFTEN PHYSICALLY HARMED FOR DAYS AND I SAW THAT FEAR AND IT MADE ME REALIZE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIVE UNDER CONTROL OF A STATE THAT HAS LIFE AND DEATH POWER OVER YOU, BUT NOT ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL?
YOU CAN VOTE AND DON'T LIVE UNDER THE SAME LAW AS JEWISH NEIGHBORS.
IT IS A TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE TO BE POWERLESS IN A STATE THAT HAS CONTROL OVER YOU AND I NEVER REALLY INTERNALIZED THAT AND I NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMAGINE MYSELF IN THAT PLACE.
>> IT'S INTERESTING HOW YOU ARE ACTUALLY FROM SOUTH AFRICA.
HER FAMILY IS FROM SOUTH AFRICA.
I WONDER WHAT ROLE THAT PLAYED IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE THINGS.
>> AFTER I STARTED TO LEARN FROM PALESTINIANS AND READ WRITING AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISRAEL MEANT, I STARTED TO HEAR ECHOES OF WHAT I HEARD AFRICANS SAY DURING A PARTAKE.
ALMOST UNIVERSALLY WERE CONVINCED THAT IF BLACK PEOPLE GOT THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THEN THEIR LIVES WOULD BE IN GRAVE DANGER.
IT WAS CONSIDERED OBVIOUS THAT IT IS WHAT KEPT WHITE PEOPLE SAFE, BECAUSE NELSON DIDN'T BELIEVE IN NONVIOLENCE.
THE USED DISTANCE AND WERE CONSIDERED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND BEING FUNDED BY THE SOVIET UNION.
IT LOOKED TERRIFYING TO WHITE PEOPLE, SO I KEPT THINKING, WHY ARE THOSE SOUTH AFRICANS ON?
WHY WERE WHITE PEOPLE NOT SLAUGHTERED?
WHY DID THE MILITARY WING DISBANDED AFTER THE END OF A?
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE AND WHEN THEY CAN GET THE GOVERNMENT TO LISTEN TO THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE UP ARMS, MOST PEOPLE ARE MUCH HAPPIER DOING THAT THEN HAVING TO PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK, WHICH IS WHY YOU GIVE PEOPLE EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW, THINGS BECOME SAFER.
THAT BEGINS TO TRANSFORM THE WAY THAT I HEARD THESE DEBATES IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A STATE IN WHICH WE HAVE LEGAL SUPERIORITY, WE CAN'T BE SAFE.
>> THIS BOOK IS DIRECTED TOWARDS JEWISH PEOPLE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CALL THE STORY THAT JEWISH PEOPLE TELL THEMSELVES ABOUT BEING HISTORY'S PERMANENT VIRTUOUS VICTIMS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> OFTEN TIMES BECAUSE OF OUR EXTREMELY TRAUMATIC HISTORY, THERE IS A TENDENCY IN JEWISH DISCOURSE TO IMAGINE THAT THE ONLY ROLE WE PLAY AND THESE ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IS AS THE ROLE OF VICTIMS.
AFTER OCTOBER 7th, THE HORROR OF OCTOBER 7, PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY CALLED IT AND WE ARE REFERRING TO A CONTINUATION OF AN ASSAULT ON THE JEWISH EMPIRE.
THE REINCARNATION OF THESE ANTI- SEMITES FROM EUROPE A CENTURY AGO AND EVERY CREATION OF THE .
THE CONDITIONS IN ISRAEL PALISADES ARE DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE VIOLENCE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT JEWS WERE LEGALLY INFERIOR AND IT IS PALESTINIANS WHO WERE LEGALLY INFERIOR.
JEWS HAVE LEGAL'S PHARMACY OVER PALESTINIANS.
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS TERRIBLE ACT OF VIOLENCE BY HAMAS, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO FACE THE FACT THAT PALESTINIANS LIVE WITHOUT BASIC RIGHTS.
IF YOU WOULD THAT FACT, YOU ARE BASICALLY SUGGESTING THAT PALESTINIANS ARE THE REINCARNATION OF THE JEW HATERS .
THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE IN IT OF ITSELF THAT YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
>> YOU ALSO SAY -- LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY DELICATE THING TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
MANY PEOPLE DO COMPARE THE ATROCITIES OF A HEART ATTACK TO THE EVIDENCE OF THE HOLOCAUST.
TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST IS ALWAYS VERY FRAUD NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE.
YOU ARGUE THAT THIS ISN'T QUITE THE RIGHT ANALOGY TO INVOKE.
WHY IS THAT?
>> AGAIN, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE HOLOCAUST WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT JEWS WERE THE SUBORDINATED CLASS FOR CENTURIES .
OCTOBER 7th IS MUCH MORE IN MY MIND LIKE AN INHUMANE BRUTAL ATTACK BY PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPRESSED.
THIS HAPPENS TRAGICALLY THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
THINK ABOUT AMERICA IN THE 19th CENTURY WHEN NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE BEEN FORCED OFF OF THEIR LAND AND CROWDED INTO SMALLER RESERVATIONS.
WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGHT BACK, OFTENTIMES THEY DIDN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CIVILIANS AND COMBATANTS.
THEY KILLED MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN HORRIFYING WAYS, JUST LIKE HAMAS DID.
PALESTINIANS AND GAZA, THIS DOESN'T GET DISCUSSED ENOUGH.
THEY ARE NOT FROM GAZA.
THEY ARE THE DESCENDENTS OF REFUGEES FORCED OUT OF WHAT IS NOW ISRAEL.
MANY CAN SEE FROM GAZA THEIR LANDS IN WHICH THEY LIVE AND NOW THEY LIVE IN A PLACE CALLED AN OPEN AIR PRISON.
MY FRIEND TOLD ME THAT EVERYONE HE KNEW HAD CONTEMPLATED SUICIDE.
THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THEM TO HAVE A DECENT LIFE.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NEVER HAVE OCTOBER 7th AGAIN, GOD FORBID, THE UNDERLYING OPPRESSION.
WHEN YOU INFLICT VIOLENCE, THE STRUCTURAL VIOLENCE THAT ISRAEL HAS INFLICTED, YOU ULTIMATELY MAKE EVERYBODY LESS SAFE.
>> WHAT ARE THE POINTS YOU MAKE IN YOUR BOOK?
IS IT CRITICIZING THE WAY ISRAEL CONDUCTS ITSELF AND THE WAY ISRAEL CONDUCTS ITSELF WITHIN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING ANTI- SEMITIC?
YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE, CAN YOU NOT, HAMAS HAS THE LAW ARE?
TERRORIST GROUPS HAVE BEEN OR ARE ANTI-SEMITIC AND WANT TO KILL JEWS?
HOW SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT THAT?
>> THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE DENIED THEIR RIGHTS.
THEY RESIST THAT AND DO SO IN A RANGE OF WAYS AND SOME OF WHICH ARE ETHICAL AND HUMANE AND SOME OF WHICH ARE UNETHICAL AND HUMANE.
SOMETIMES THEY DO SO IN A SPIRIT OF A QUALITY AND RECOGNITION OF THE HUMANITY.
SOMETIMES THEY DO SO IN THE CASE OF HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS IN AN IDEOLOGY WHICH IS ITSELF SUPREMACIST, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE AN ISLAMIC STATE IN WHICH MUSLIMS HAVE A SUPERIOR TO CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.
THE RIGHT WAY TO RESPOND TO THIS IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO WEAKEN HAMAS AND FEED HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH, YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT PALESTINIANS FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM IN WAYS THAT ARE ETHICAL AND CONSISTENT WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW.
IN WAYS THAT DON'T TARGET ISRAELI CIVILIANS.
WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, LOOK AT HOW THEY RESPOND TO PALESTINIANS APPEARING NONVIOLENT AND INTERNATIONAL COURTS ARE WHEN THEY CALL FOR BOYCOTTS IN A SPIRIT OF THE ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT OR WHEN THEY DO NONVIOLENT MARCHES, LIKE THE GREAT MARCH OF RETURN OR WHEN THEY COLLABORATE WITH ISRAEL TO BE TRUSTED BY WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH THE ISRAELI MILITARY AND WITH THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY DOES.
IT DEFEATS ALL OF THOSE EFFORTS.
PALESTINIANS HAVE NOT GAINED ANYTHING FROM THOSE ETHICAL NONVIOLENT STRUGGLES.
IF WE ARE HORRIFIED AND WE OPPOSE THE IDEOLOGY AND DON'T WANT A SINGLE ISRAELI JEW TO DIE, WE ARE INCUMBENT TO SUPPORT ETHICAL HUMANE NONVIOLENT PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY.
I FEAR THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND ORGANIZED JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS DONE EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
>> IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT MORE PEOPLE SHARE YOUR VIEW THAT ARE WILLING TO EXPRESS IT PUBLICLY AND I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH A YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT WHO IS OBSERVING LIKE YOURSELF AND DEEPLY OBSERVANT AND SAID THAT IN THE WAKE OF OCTOBER 7th SHE SAID, DIDN'T WE WANT A PLACE WHERE WE COULD BE SAFE AND FREE?
DON'T PALESTINIANS WANT THE SAME THING AND THEY WANT A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE SAFE AND FREE?
SHE'S HAD HER PARENTS SAID TO HER, NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
>> POLLING SHOWS THAT AMONG YOUNGER AMERICAN JEWS , HIGH PERCENTAGE OF YOUNG AMERICAN JEWS SAYING THAT THEY THINK ISRAEL IS A APARTHEID STATE.
THERE IS WHERE SHE ASKED AMERICAN JEWS IF THEY CONSIDERED -- WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A ZIONIST IF THAT MEANS THAT IS REALLY JEWS HAVE MORE RIGHTS?
MOST AMERICAN JEWS SAID NO.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PASSIONATE SUPPORTERS OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND OF THIS WAR, BUT THERE IS ALSO A FEAR THAT EXISTS IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
RABBIS KNOW IF YOU PUBLICLY CRITICIZE ISRAEL HARSHLY, YOU MAY WELL LOSE YOUR JOB OR IF YOU ARE A TEACHER AT A JEWISH SCHOOL, PEOPLE KNEW THIS VERY WELL.
PEOPLE SUPPRESS WHAT THEY SAY.
YOUNG AMERICAN JEWISH KIDS KNOW THIS, AS WELL.
THE CONSEQUENCES COULD BE VERY SEVERE.
I THINK THERE IS MUCH MORE DIVISION AND MUCH MORE DIVERSITY OF OPINION AMONG AMERICAN THAN YOU MIGHT SOMETIMES KNOW, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO EXPRESS IT.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS QUESTION OF WHO IS INDIGENOUS.
WHO ARE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE?
ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT EMERGED IS THAT IT DESCRIBES ISRAEL AS A COLONIAL STATE AND SUGGESTS THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE AND PLANTED THEMSELVES ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, DISPLACED THEM, KILLED THEM ET CETERA.
OTHER PEOPLE ARGUE THAT JEWS HAVE INDIGENOUS RIGHTS.
HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
>> MOST OF THESE THINGS CAN BE TRUE AND NOBODY NEEDS TO TELL ME THAT JEWS HAVE A DEEP AND PROFOUND ANCIENT SPIRITUAL CONNECTION .
WHEN I WOKE UP THIS MORNING, I PLAYED PRAYED AND SPOKE ABOUT DESIRE TO RETURN TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
IT IS VERY DEEP WITHIN OUR TRADITION.
IT IS ALSO THE CASE THAT THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT WAS CREATED IN THE LATE 19th AND EARLY 20th CENTURY WHO REFER TO THEMSELVES AS COLONISTS.
THEODORE WRITES THE SOUTHERN AFRICA THAT WE HAVE A COLONIAL PROJECT HERE AND IT'S JUST LIKE YOURS.
THE FOUNDER OF REVISION.
YAHOO'S OWN TRADITION.
IT MEANT BRINGING ATTORNEY TO THE BACK WERE PART OF THE WORLD.
IT CAN BE SETTLER COLONIAL IF PEOPLE HAVE DEEP ROOTS IN THAT PLACE.
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS TO CITE LIBERIA.
THE PEOPLE WHO COLONIZE LIBERIA WERE AND SAVED ENSLAVED BLACK AMERICANS AND THEY ALSO HAD ROOTS IN THAT PLACE, BUT WHEN THEY WENT BACK TO CREATE A STATE IN LIBERIA THEY OPPRESSED THE NATIVE POPULATION, BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAD NOTIONS OF THEM -- OF THEMSELVES AS COMING FROM A SUPERIOR SOCIETY AND WANTING TO RULE.
THESE TWO THINGS CAN BOTH BE THE CASE.
JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE EQUALLY AND SAFELY IN ISRAEL PALESTINE .
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPERIORITY OVER OTHER PEOPLE.
>> WHAT IS YOUR VISION?
>> ISRAEL PALESTINE IS A BINATIONAL SOCIETY WITH TWO GROUPS THAT BOTH SEE THEMSELVES AS NATIONS THAT BOTH SPEAK A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPRESENTED IN GOVERNMENT, SO IT MIGHT BE MY NATIONAL DEMOCRACY, BUT THE PRINCIPLE I BELIEVE IS THAT WHEREVER JEWS AND THE PALESTINIANS LIVE ALONGSIDE ONE ANOTHER, THEY SHOULD LEAVE EQUALLY UNDER THE LAW.
MY HOPE AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL EVER SEE IT, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT AFRICA AND THAT SOUTH AFRICAN LEGAL TEAM THAT WENT TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE AND THEY WERE WHITE PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE AND INDIAN PEOPLE AND OF ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUND SAYING, LOOK AT US.
WE OVERCAME SUPREMACY AND WE ARE NOW FIGHTING FOR THAT PRINCIPAL AROUND THE WORLD OF HUMAN EQUALITY.
THAT IS MY DREAM OF WHAT WE CAN HAVE AMONG PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS.
A LEGAL TEAM OF PALESTINIAN AND ISRAELI TRAN15 OVERCAME SUPREMACY AND WE LIVE TOGETHER IN QUALITY.
WHAT I ACCOMPLISH CAN BE INSPIRATION FOR THE WORLD AND I BELIEVE THE WORLD NEEDS THAT INSPIRATION TODAY.
>> THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US.
>> THANK YOU.